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Washington Women’s Heritage Project records, 1900-2000 
University of Washington Libraries Special Collections 
Myrtle Charley Landry 
1980  
Cassette 2, Side 2 
 
 
Winona Weber  00:02 
Here. [Recorder shifting around.] 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  00:05 
Did it-- Women of today and the younger women were too lazy to get up-- 
 
Winona Weber  00:13 
Uh-huh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  00:13 
--And wa--clean theirselves. 
 
Winona Weber  00:15 
Yeah. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  00:15 
And she used to grab the door. She would--of course, they, you know used to have bigger ones. 
 
Winona Weber  00:19 
Oh, yeah, big heavy-- 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  00:20 
And she'd hang up and let herself swing and until she felt it come apart-- 
 
Winona Weber  00:25 
Mm! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  00:26 
You know where they met-- And they'd come apart. But she-- Oh! Oh! She said, "None of them 
ever kept theirselves clean." She said, "That was the biggest thing. You got to move, even if you 
got around and moved or done something." Which she said that was the only way that she kept 
from having children. And so most of them delay, you know, never move. The doctor asked me, 
you know, how my ma spaced her kids every two years. 
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Winona Weber  00:28 
Mhm. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  01:02 
I said "My mother got up and moved." She just didn't lay there, and I don't think they knew much 
about controlling. Most of the Indian people never had children every two years, you know. All 
the ones I know go spaced. Like, course me and Audy, like, Gram, my grandmother, gave my 
mother medicine. She never had kids, you know. 
 
Winona Weber  01:02 
Yeah. Yeah. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  01:12 
They had to give her her Indian medicine. And I was born-- my mom said she [inaudible] busy 
with me and never thought about getting pregnant again. And a year and a-- Audy's a year and a 
half younger than me [laughs].  
 
Winona Weber  01:44 
Oh, really? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  01:45 
She said, "Gosh." She said, "I couldn't have that happen." So she never had another baby for four 
years. [Child calling.] Go on and pee! Go on. Get that on tape. [They laugh.] 
 
Winona Weber  02:02 
Girly! Did you--? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  02:05 
That's the only one I know-- Of course they had-- a lot of them had medicine like, um-- like 
fireweed. They drank that. But they made sure that you didn't-- never waited to see if you were 
pregnant, they drank it before. 
 
Winona Weber  02:24 
Oh! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  02:24 
Before your next period came, they drank it. 
 
Winona Weber  02:28 
Mhm. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  02:28 
They didn't wait, let that month go by, you know, to see if they were. Knowing that then that was 
it--  
 
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Winona Weber  02:34 
--Was too late.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  02:35 
It was too late. [Child calls out a question.] Go ahead. [They laugh.] 
 
Winona Weber  02:43 
Fireweed. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  02:45 
Yeah, haven't you ever seen fireweed? 
 
Winona Weber  02:48 
Unh-uh [negative]. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  02:48 
Fireweed has leaves like that, and it grows right next to the moss and under shade. 
 
Winona Weber  02:57 
Oh.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  02:58 
And then it has one flower that looks like a star. And it's ivory white. It's just pretty. Just one 
flower is all they have, but it'll stand up about so high.  
 
Winona Weber  03:09 
About four inches? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  03:11 
Oh, it-- it sticks out--you can't help it. We used to have a patch up here until they logged, you 
know, and of course that ruined everything. 
 
Winona Weber  03:18 
Yeah. Dried it up. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  03:19 
And they don't grow unless there's, you know shade and look where there's a lot of moss.  
 
Winona Weber  03:24 
Yeah. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  03:24 
I used to have a good pasture by the side of where Irene's trailer is. But I think [inaudible] and all 
his [clears throat] garbage and everything ruined it. It doesn't grow no more. Way back there, but 
there's no more. And I think beans-- our water is bringing that saltwater forward, too. I think it's 
killing a lot of our stuff. 
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Winona Weber  03:54 
Oh, no.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  03:55 
And it's killing the scotch broom. See, the salt water's coming up because of the erosion. A lot of 
water coming to grave, you know. They buried Jess James, you know, they were praying, and all 
of a sudden these caskets come to the top.  
 
Winona Weber  04:13 
Keep floating to the top. Oh! Maybe that's a sign. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  04:16 
Audy said, "Gee, spooked me." [They laugh.] And I opened my eyes, I had 'em shut, looked 
around here and was that casket had come up to the top! [They laugh.] He said, "I always felt bad 
about her. They shoved it down and all that water to put the dirt over poor old Jess. Gee, I always 
felt bad, he must have gotten wet. [They laugh.] 
 
Winona Weber  04:41 
Audy isn't--isn't very reverent when it comes to the dead. [Chuckle.] 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  04:44 
No! [Laughs.] "It bothered me," he said, "to think that they shoved him in there." And, you 
know-- Course they only had a wooden box. And then with Andy, they put concrete, you know, 
blocks. Concrete down there. And then they put him in.  
 
Winona Weber  04:51 
Yeah. Uh-huh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  05:04 
Then they put that concrete on top so he couldn't float.  
 
Winona Weber  05:08 
Oh, I see.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  05:09 
Mhm. But the water from the erosion is bringing water, you know, only three feet deep in the 
water, the cemetery. You know where they're putting that community building, there's supposed 
to be no water there. 
 
Winona Weber  05:21 
Gee. 
 
Child  05:32 
Hi! Hi! 
 
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Winona Weber  05:32 
 Your daughter is-- she's answering the phone for you. [Shuffling sounds.] 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  05:37 
No, my mom never-- When we moved from here, and my mother stayed with my dad, you know. 
They believed they all had to live together. You know, with [Unknown Name, ?Ma-Tote?], 
Chicha, [Unknown Name, ?Nidah-bum?], and Lizzy, Hank, Mitchell. They all had women 
except Hank, you know? They were supposed to all live in this one house. Well, you know how 
[they laugh] that's gonna be with only three bedrooms downstairs and the open air upstairs. Well, 
that didn't go over so big. And mom kept wanting to move, and my dad wouldn't move, so finally 
one day she said, "You want to stay here with your ma, well I'm going to leave."  
 
Winona Weber  06:29 
Yeah. [They laugh.] 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  06:31 
So he said, "All right, then." [Child laughs.] Hannah. Then you go-- she goes to Bay Center and 
he rents a boat and he comes and he picks my ma up and takes us to Bay Center. Well [Unknown 
Name, ?Ma-Tote?] owned a house in Bay Center.  So he told my dad to move into it. Right next 
door, like say from here to the museum was a Shaker-- not even that far--Shaker Church.  
 
Winona Weber  06:46 
Mm. Yeah.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  07:00 
So we used to attend it all the time. But at that time, the old-time shake was when you started to 
shake, nobody ever sat down. You've done your work. And you-- if it had to go overnight, then 
shake all night, do their bathroom thing and water. They had a pail of water there. But nobody 
ever ate, you know. You don't eat when you got your power. And they'd finish-- Maybe they'd 
start Friday. Shake Saturday, Sunday. Whatever time it takes to do this person. They never quit. 
And they had power-- what I mean they had real power that day. Margaret George used to have 
that full skirt, you know, how they dress with a tight blouse. She had [inaudible]. 
 
Winona Weber  07:58 
A what?  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  07:59 
A handkerchief, you know. 
 
Winona Weber  08:00 
Oh, hankerchief. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  08:01 
And she'd go shaking and look like she rode. You never seen her feet, but she'd go, and she'd go 
round and round, but she never touched nobody. I used to [inaudible]. You wonder how she 
looked, you know, for you never seen her feet. You never seen her body, looked like she just 
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skidded. [They chuckle.] It was really, you know, important to watch them things. [They 
chuckle.] Course, us kids were taught when you went, you sat, you know, you didn't go and jump 
and say, "I gotta pee." Or "I gotta do this." You sat in there and you sat. They never allowed the 
door to be opened. Once you go in there, you're to stay in there. You didn't go and open that door 
and go outside and pee and come back. So if you had to go, oh, you better hold it! [She laughs.] 
So they would-- if they went on after 12 o'clock when what people had to go home with their 
kids would go, all right, you know of course, they'd kind of have a little intermission to go to the 
toilet and drink their water. And then they'd start right in again with the same power, with the 
same amount of people. When that bell rang, when they rang that bell, that was a message that 
there was work to be done. Everybody got ready. By the second bell, we'd all be in the church 
sitting around. Right away. Everybody was there. The door was shut, they start their shivers. 
Start their shake. They never quit. Now they sit down, you know, pretty soon maybe four or five 
of them standing there. There's no power left anymore. I will shake day after day. [Inaudible 
cross talk.] [Unkown name, ?Ma-Tote?] was a strong shaker, you know. 
 
Winona Weber  10:02 
Oh, really? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  10:03 
Oh, golly, shakes. He'd dancin'. They'd be working on somebody, trying to get them to shake. 
Well he'd be the one finally get up, start in, he'd throw in [inaudible]. Next thing you know, them 
guys would be just jumpin' and dancin'. 
 
Winona Weber  10:22 
Wow. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  10:23 
He was strong. Really strong. I don't remember Chicha ever shaking, though. Never did ask her. 
Don't seem like she did. I don't know, she might have been one, but I never-- I don't remember 
ever seeing her on the floor. [Child laughs.] 
 
Winona Weber  10:47 
Do you want to go in the crib? [Gets up, speaks inaudibly.] 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  10:56 
My mother never did-- See, my mother was baptized as Catholic. Brown never believed in it. 
When mom's brother tried to be a Shaker when he first came to Puyallup. He didn't know that 
Gram-- When he'd go, you know, he'd dress up, and he'd go, and he was gonna be a Shaker. Well 
as he went out the door, Gram crossed herself and she had the holy water, and she'd sprinkle. He 
didn't know that she was doing--[laughs].  
 
Winona Weber  11:21 
Oh really?  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  11:22 
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So when they got to the shake, they said, "There's something holding you back. We can't seem to 
reach you." Gram's prayer and her holy water that she sprinkled on him. He didn't know that she 
was sprinkling it on him. And that was-- her religion was stronger than the Shaker at that time.  
 
Winona Weber  11:44 
For him, anyway. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  11:45 
Yeah, they couldn't do nothing with him. 
 
Winona Weber  11:48 
I wonder why.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  11:49 
My dad, you know, they couldn't shake him.  
 
Winona Weber  11:52 
Oh, really?  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  11:53 
Mm-m [negative]. See, they sent my dad out. They sent my dad up here in the woods to get his 
tamanawis, you know. You're supposed to stay out there after you're such an age-- 
 
Winona Weber  12:04 
Tamanawis? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  12:06 
You know, to catch your power. 
 
Winona Weber  12:07 
Yeah. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  12:09 
They sent him out. You're supposed to sleep out there. And your vision comes to you. You eat 
what you can find. And you don't take anything out there. You sleep. No matter what the weather 
is. You've got to do the best you can to take care of yourself. And when this power came to my 
dad, he got scared, and jumped up and he run. From that time on, he never was able to be a 
Shaker. Never got his tamanawis.  
 
Winona Weber  12:36 
Mm! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  12:38 
But he was a bell ringer. 
 
Winona Weber  12:40 
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Yeah.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  12:40 
See when you're a true bell ringer, you can ring that bell for 12 hours, never stop. [Clicking 
sound. Winona walks away to speak to the child.] 
 
Winona Weber  12:48 
Hannah, you're supposed to be sleeping, you don't do that, [inaudible]. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  12:52 
She's gonna make noise, and I don't care what she-- 
 
Winona Weber  12:55 
Want to sit on my lap? Want to come and sit on my lap? Come on! [Child responds.] I've heard-- 
I've heard Indian doctors called tamanawis.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  13:09 
Yeah. Well, there was two kinds. You could either be the good Indian doctor, or you could use 
your bad. Taholah and Canada right today uses the bad thing. They don't hardly use for cure. 
Now, I knew this lady in Oakville. I wish I could think of names. She had the power of her 
Indian doctor. My grandma had asthma, and she got pneumonia. She was about ready to die, and 
my mother was up there taking care of her. So they went over and got this lady. She took her--
she had a basin, two basins. One she washed Gram's neck all up her chest. One over here she had 
water and she--she draw this out of my Gran. 
 
Winona Weber  13:22 
Mm. Uh-huh.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  13:53 
And she spit it in this one as she [?watched the energy grow?]. She--Gram never had asthma 
once that woman got done with here. She didn't have pneumonia! Hannah. Shhh. I'm talking in 
this machine. But there's no more like that. There's no more around here. 
 
Winona Weber  14:14 
Hm. No more healing.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  14:28 
No. No more power. They try, but they don't have the true power no more. They have them up in 
Canada. They make young people exposed to get their power, but it's not true. Because they don't 
stick with it. For a long time ago, you know, if you learn-- if you were a Shaker. If you was a 
Shaker, you weren't supposed to go to shows, or you're not supposed to laugh. You're not 
supposed to raise [inaudible]. [Clears throat.] You lived a quiet life, where now, everybody you 
got to go to a show or sit and watch TV and all. Them days, it was just a phonograph. You 
weren't supposed to have that. And a lot of people are stuck with it, you know. Now they don't.  
 
Winona Weber  15:24 
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You think it's-- 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  15:26 
Can--Canadians, they did this. And they have a lot of young ones, you know, trying to work 
them into this power. The Baileys did it for a while. 
 
Winona Weber  15:41 
Mm! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  15:44 
So many of them have died young. I think on account of us not [loud sounds concealing the 
audio, child laughing]. She wasn't doing that for fun. She thought you were playing. 
 
Winona Weber  15:58 
Yeah, I was-- I was looking at this thing to see whether it was running. Because you can [loud 
thunk] when it shuts off. The other one goes CLICK! Scares you out of your wits.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  16:07 
Oh, really? 
 
Winona Weber  16:08 
This one doesn't. You just have to check on it, that's all. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  16:10 
Well, that's-- that's just about all I could say as far as tamanawis is concerned. 
 
Winona Weber  16:17 
Did you know any? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  16:18 
What? 
 
Winona Weber  16:19 
Did you know any when you were a little girl? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  16:21 
No. The only man I knew [chuckles]. I'll just talk about it. Johnny [?Skannown?] had as his 
power fire. 
 
Winona Weber  16:30 
Wow! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  16:31 
And he had this big house. And everybody'd go, you know, and set going around. [Child 
babbling.] Go look in the window. Yeah. And he'd throw the seal oil in there and he'd stick his 
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head in the stove. They didn't have an outdoor fire. I said--I used to do everything for Audy, you 
know, to entertain him because he was crippled.  
 
Winona Weber  16:41 
Uh-huh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  16:47 
I said, I don't know why I never started before and tried to put my h--[laughs]. [They both laugh.] 
I did everything circus. I go--mom took us to circus, and I used to try everything. That's why my 
neck is so short, I [man shouts]. I tried to do tricks for him, and I fell on my head so many times. 
[They laugh. Loud playing sounds.] You better shut that off. 
 
Winona Weber  17:21 
Oh, it's about halfway there. Huh, he's leaving [inaudible]. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  17:26 
Hannah. 
 
Winona Weber  17:30 
Aunt Irene and them talk about a longhouse that was up to Taholah till the thirties.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  17:36 
Yes.  
 
Winona Weber  17:37 
Were you ever in that?  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  17:38 
Yes.  
 
Winona Weber  17:39 
What was it like? I've never seen--[Cross talk]. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  17:40 
Just a longhouse, just a great big building. 
 
Winona Weber  17:42 
Uh-huh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  17:42 
It was right along the river there by, by, by-- Was across from Hyacinth's place. [Inaudible.] Big 
long building, and it was the first time I went because I never know what it was, you know. But I 
went, and I used to be so skinny and somebody said they went and put their tamanawis on me. 
Well, here I am with my head all bended over. 
 
Winona Weber  17:42 
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Huh! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  17:42 
So I came home and I said, "Gee, I don't know what's the matter with my head, my neck." ‘Cause 
I was skinnier, and I couldn't, you know, just bend it bad. And my dad said, "I think you've got to 
go and have some Indian doctor medicine." Well my mother's stepdad, John LeClair was a 
tamanawis man.  
 
Winona Weber  18:26 
Oh.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  18:28 
So we went up there. And they-- He put me on a chair like you're sitting. 
 
Winona Weber  18:34 
Uh-huh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  18:34 
And then his chair faced this way. And he said, "Don't look at me." And so he worked on it. And 
they worked on him. And he got a hold of his tamanawis and it talked to him in its language. 
 
Winona Weber  18:47 
Oh! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  18:49 
And said" I didn't mean no harm. I just looked at her and said, 'Oh, that poor thing. She won't 
live long. She's so skinny, and--'" He just took his hand over all over, you know. He said, "I 
didn't mean no harm. I didn't mean no harm." And when he took it off of me, I darn near fell off 
the chair, you know, because he was grabbin' me. [Chuckles.] 
 
Winona Weber  18:59 
Gee! Oh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  19:14 
So he took it away, and then he--he let go because he didn't mean no harm. So he told me, "If 
you want to go to those places, don't ever stand in front of anybody. Make sure you're against the 
wall. Of course, if they look at you, then their power jumps up." 
 
Winona Weber  19:29 
Oh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  19:29 
So that's that man. There's another trick I missed. That man walked in the bonfire coals. 
 
Winona Weber  19:40 
LeClaire?  
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Myrtle Charley Landry  19:41 
No.  
 
Winona Weber  19:42 
The man up in Taholah? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  19:44 
Pope, Old Man Pope. And he takes his coals, you know. 
 
Winona Weber  19:49 
Gee. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  19:51 
[Inaudible]. And he's walkin'. Singin'. That's the first time I've seen it. Really quite didn't 
understand. See, I was thirteen when I saw Indians, you know, and never realized I was an 
Indian, ‘cause I'd never been told.  
 
Winona Weber  20:08 
Oh. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  20:09 
When I came home, I told ma, "I didn't like those Indians." She said, "Well, you're Indian." I 
said, "Oh, no, not me." "Oh," she said, "Your grandpa's Indian." And I said, Oh, no, not 
[Unknown Name, ?Ma-Tote?], he's not Indian." [They laugh.] 
 
Winona Weber  20:09 
What kind of Indians had you seen that you didn't like? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  20:24 
Well, it was Taholah, it was [?Elmer?] Simon I didn't like. 
 
Winona Weber  20:28 
Oh, really?  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  20:29 
Big fat man, you know, and that big cowboy hat on. 
 
Winona Weber  20:31 
Oh [chuckles].  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  20:32 
And all the Indians were in the pool hall, there was there, you know. There was a bench, and 
they were all sitting down, talking and laughing. And I wouldn't go into this house because I was 
afraid of those Indians, and I was sitting in the car-- --And I was scared to death. And Irene and 
[Unknown Name, ?Ma-Tote?] went in there. I didn't realize that this man remarried to a white 
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woman. And so it was getting dark now. Irene came and said, "You better come on in. Those 
Indians will get you." She said, "We're going to sleep here." She said, "Where's I--where's your 
bed?" She said, "You go in this door, and then you go this way and then the upstairs." So I went 
in that door and I run upstairs. I jumped in bed with my coat and everything covered my head, 
shoes and everything, I went to bed. [Child laughs.] Boy, those Indians won't get me ‘cause I'll 
get up and run. [They laugh.] 
 
Winona Weber  20:43 
Uh-huh. All ready to go.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  21:22 
The next morning, we got up early. Low tide, three o'clock morning, and we walked to Pacific 
Beach to catch a bus. We walked and walked all through the beach. Boy, I was so glad to get out 
of there. I thought, "Oh, I'll come back here again." I--And them days, the Indians lived a lot 
better than they do today.  
 
Winona Weber  21:46 
Oh, really?  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  21:46 
All they--they had their own places, and they had fence around them. They had little flower sack 
curtains on their windows, clean yard, and then the women would pack wood and fill that yard 
with wood for the winter. The men would be sitting on the riverbank, you know, down with a lot 
of sand. And they'd knit their nets for fall. Nobody was idle.  
 
Winona Weber  22:12 
Oh, no. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  22:12 
You never see anybody running around. Not until I went back after I was older. And then I saw 
drunken women, which I had never seen before. I knew one in Bay Center, but I seen girls in 
Taholah drunk. Which I didn't think was real. And coming back, they were draped over stumps. 
Some men took and they draped these women over stumps. That's when the road was first made. 
And all these are stumps, all the way. And I couldn't quite fathom about why all this was 
happening. You know, all these young girls. [Chuckles.] I was telling somebody else, the first 
time I went to Taholah, all these [inaudible] younger women wore red socks, pink socks, green 
socks. White silk, you know? "Oh," I thought. "Gee, I wish I could have that!" [Laughs.] 
 
Winona Weber  23:16 
Yeah.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  23:18 
They all wore them bright colors, purple, you know. And they all shaved their eyebrows and 
made eyebrows. 
 
Winona Weber  23:26 
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How come? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  23:27 
I don't know, and then, of course, them days, they used that, um, liquid powder. Gee, they looked 
like clowns, you know. Red cheeks. 
 
Winona Weber  23:39 
Oh, yeah, I can imagine. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  23:40 
And they'd paint their eyebrows, you know, like that. There was no eyelash thing yet.  And then 
the lipstick. [Chuckles.] Oh, I tell you, and I thought, "You know, it's pretty good." So when I 
went home, I thought, "I'm gonna shave my eyebrows, too." So I'm looking in my glass and I got 
my dad's straight razor. 
 
Winona Weber  23:46 
Uh-huh.  Oh, gee. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  24:03 
Pretty, pretty soon, my hand slipped and I cut it off--[laughs].  
 
Winona Weber  24:08 
Oh, gosh! 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  24:08 
God, I thought Ma was gonna beat me up. So I seen [inaudible] take, and she'd light a match,  
you know, and then she paint her eyebrows. So I went up and I painted-- [?burnt my eye on 
what?]. My mother never noticed. [They laugh.] But I thought they were all together a different 
kind of people. I just didn't think that I had anything to do with them, you know, at all. And the 
kids had never told me that I was different. Get away. They never did tell me I was different. All 
through my young school life, but I thought we were all the same kind of people. And when I 
saw these ones in Taholah, I thought, "Oh." I don't see how, you know, I wouldn't want to live by 
them. I thought they were terrible. [They laugh.]  
 
Winona Weber  24:35 
Huh! Those Indians are no good. [Chuckles.]  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  25:14 
I didn't like them. I thought that they were awful. I never, didn't dream, you know, that we were--
I was the same. 
 
Winona Weber  25:24 
Yeah.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  25:24 
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And they'll walk with the kids. Used to take me to Sunday school, you know. Gosh, when I was 
nine years old, I babysat for different people. I never dreamed I was different from the Finnish 
kids. They never would say I was different. [They laugh.] I had long black hair, you know, and 
my mother used to scrub it. About scrub my brown skin off to go to Sunday school--[laughs]. 
 
Winona Weber  25:55 
I'll bet. Washed you out? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  25:56 
I used to just shine. Oh, my hair used to just shine. [Inaudible] me, [inaudible]. I can remember 
this one dress that was white eyelet. Had pink ribbon went through the [inaudible]? I had to wear 
that to Sunday school. 
 
Winona Weber  25:57 
Oh, really? 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  26:13 
Which I didn't like. But like I say, it was never-- I don't think they will be ever the same, you 
know, like they used to be, where there was no difference in your color or anything. I don't think 
it'll ever be that way. Always be fighting if you're something else. 
 
Winona Weber  26:43 
Yeah.  
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  26:44 
I think it'd almost be that. 
 
Winona Weber  26:47 
Well, the society around here was really accepting of the Indians, and some places, they weren't. 
 
Myrtle Charley Landry  26:53 
Oh you can shut that off. I'll tell you something else. 
 
Winona Weber  26:56 
[Recorder moving.] Yeah. 
 